Other options require a different way of thinking.

China is the key.
China is the super power of this century.

Making them an ally would be a sensible start.

Making them an adversary is pointless and counter productive , and simply denying reality.

Sure , the US is still a super power ,
but a rather impotent one.
Their methods have failed for decades.

It's past time to give up on the past cold war mentality ,
and try something different.

Without learning to understand the Chinese and how to get along and cooperate with them ,
the prognosis is not good

Dealing with China requires showing respect , behaving respectfully ,
and earning their respect.
That is the starting point.
Without that , your just pushing shit uphill

 

After the Inchon Landing of September 1950 the North Korean Army retreated north. Communist China said it would not oppose the presence of South Korean troops in North Korea, but it would not allow American troops to reach the Yalu River that was the boundary between North Korea and Manchuria.

Gen. MacArthur thought the Communist China were bluffing. Gen. MacArthur was mistaken. He issued a demand for unconditional surrender to North Korea. When American troops reached the Yalu River the Chinese counter attacked. The Korean War lasted until 1953.

The Chinese had and have legitimate security concerns with North Korea. In 1931 the Japanese invaded Manchuria through Korea.

After the Inchon Landing a better policy for the United Nations forces would have been to conquer the southern half of North Korea, and leave what remained as a buffer zone with Communist China.

What remained of North Korea would have been too small to threaten South Korea again, but it would have allayed Chinese concerns about the possibility of American aggression.

During the Korean War a less aggressive policy by the United States would have achieved a better result sooner at less cost in lives, destruction, and money.

 

If China is the key, then the key is broken.... China is either unwilling or unable to do what is necessary.

China is not the super power you think they are. The country is over populated. They have 900 million people living in poverty.

China will have mounting internal political problems of it's own to deal with in the future.

But the real bottom line with China is, they aren't interested in helping or promoting US influence in their part of the world. China's actions in the South China sea prove that....

 

We need to see this conflict the way China sees it. If we can, we may get Chinese cooperation in resolving it.

It is in China's interest that North Korea survive as a buffer against American military forces. It is also in China's interest that there not be a nuclear war in Korea. If North Korea launches a nuclear attack on South Korea, Japan, or the United States, North Korea will be devastated in the U.S. response, which will probably be nuclear.

Wind generally goes from east to west. The fallout from nuclear explosions will drift over China.

It would be in China's interest for Kim Jong-un to be replaced with a docile, puppet dictator who will do what Chinese leaders tell him to do, and who will not start a war that cannot possibly be in China's interest.

The school yard taunts Trump is tweeting are not helping. This is not the time to demand that the Chinese help us. This is the time to make the Chinese want to help us for mutual benefit.

 

Here is a possible solution.
If nothing succeeds and it ends in a war.

China could take over all of Korea.

Who knows what they'll do if a war situation is forced on them , on their border.
They won't allow the US or US backed SK to take over and move up to their border.

By sheer numbers and proximity ,
they'd be almost unstoppable.
Only about 250km , 150 miles between China and SK border ,
and nowhere in SK more than about
600 km , 375 m from China.

That would be a possible solution.
Not very satisfactory for anyone except China ,
but they may prefer it to alternatives ,
if pushed.

Russia may prefer something similar to.
It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that there'd be some cooperation if push came to shove.

Vladivostok is also only about 600 km from SK ,
and with road access into NK on their border.

 

The key is China. But it is up to them to decide to curb and leash their neighbor. To date they seem unwilling. Has nothing to do with any other countries interest. Has to do with letting the diminutive psychopath have nuclear tipped toys and targets on his mind. Perhaps someone will take the issue seriously when real estate in the region glows...who knows.

 

Trade between China and North Korea has increased in the first quarter of 2017. So much for China complying with sanctions against North Korea.

 

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North Korean leader Kim Jung UN promises more "gift packages" for the western US.

Now might be a good time for west coast Americans to sell and move east.

 

No... not that...

 

Even though that is probably true this is not the time to say so.

Right now Trump needs to make the Chinese want to do what every sensible person wants them to do, which is to exert some control over Kim Jong-un.

 

And since the Chinese appear unwilling or unable to get the madman under control, it could fall to other countries to do that.
The UN should be leading this discussion but they are not.
The US cannot ignore North Korea, but we do not want an open conflict with them.
Shooter thinks the answer is to do what worked since 1953; an embargo and sanctions.
Meanwhile, we give China the reason(s) why they should not want an armed North Korea.
Like, for example pointing out that having a cranky spoiled child in your back yard waving around a loaded pistol cannot have a good outcome.

 

Well, there is another way to get China's attention. However, it would only work with the full cooperation of the South Korean government.

The US could announce it is putting nuclear weapons in South Korea. This would put China in panic mode and more than likely force them to do something to remedy the situation.

All this is very unlikely to happen....

 

Why do you constantly lie? It is just both stupid and pathetic. North Korea has not demonstrated anything that can reach Hawaii or California.

But ... but ... I thought the UN is worthless.

You are just so full of shit. There is no way we can hit North Korea and wipe them out before they can retaliate.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ains-what-war-north-korea-look-like/22364954/

 

Don't worry Stumbler. Hawaii and Alaska are safe. I tweeted Kim Jung UN your home address, so the next "gift package" will be delivered to your front door.

 

Another really impotent dodge to try and cover up the fact that about all you do is in fact and in deed lie.

 

Don't worry people.
Trump is on the job. He will protect you.
He will even protect those crazies who are crying so much about Hillary loosing the election.
Hell, he will even protect Hillary's drunk ass.

 

@Jdbfromnj

Yes you are now telling two lies. You did not say "Hawaii or Alaska." You said Hawaii or possibly even California.

And you are still lying about Hawaii.

U.S. Confirms North Korea Fired Intercontinental Ballistic Missile

 

Russia blocks UN statement calling for North Korea sanctions

 

I'm not convinced they can hit anything.
yet.

Sending one up as high as you can , until it falls back into the ocean ,
is hardly proof of ability to hit anything.

On the other hand ,
IF they can get it to go as far as seems to be theoretically possible ,
and they aim right ,
they'll probably hit something.

Expert opinion seems to suggest they may be able to actually deliver to a target in about two years ,
if the program proceeds successfully.

So there may be about two years to reach some conclusion.

Opinions I've seen also suggest they may have about 5 nuclear devices at this time.
No information on where they are with making them small enough or rocketable.

Given their progress , it is probably inevitable they will develop the capabilities in the next few years.

Failing some diplomatic solution ,
some time in that time frame ,
someone needs to demonstrate the ability to shoot them down ,
you'd think.

Dose that ability exist ?