Wasn't the reason for death there the collar which blows up when the head with collar still on starts regenerating?
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- Jan 27, 2021
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We were weaker, yes, but that doesn't mean we weren't ready. There wasn't even a whole evolution stage between when that dead end takes place and when we get captured by Klaus. How many power points did we even gain between those two moments?
We don't die from cutting off our own head, we die from the collar activating because it falls off our body. The right option is only the right option because it means the collar stays in place around our neck.
She attacks, but there's no reason to assume that her attack would immediately kill us aside from the fact that the screen goes black, which could just mean that the MC is unconscious, or like I already explained, that WW simply didn't want to show what happens next (likely because it's just a retread of an earlier dead end).
I literally say this multiple times. This is part of the point I'm making.
- Oct 9, 2023
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Monthly argument if ella is evil or not or a bitch or not or yap yap yap
- Aug 21, 2022
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Now we wait for the Deryl and Jake argument
- Jun 25, 2017
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Ella can catch hands. Hopefully we can throw the gauntlet and actually kill her. Don't sit well with me to stab her while she's down even though that's exactly wtf she would do.
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- Dec 29, 2020
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I was just contemplating if this was a thing and how often it probably happens. Thanks for preemptively informing me.
Deryl himself states he's always been an asshole, but he's a bro. Given his and MC's history of fighting, I agree with wanting to fight the MC to see who was stronger. I used to fight in backyard boxing matches with my friends growing up. Bros get closer after throwing hands. And Deryl believed that nothing significantly negative would come of a non-to-the-death brawl... Shame that Ella had that suggestion implanted in him and it affected him negatively while drained.
I decided to spare Jake, though it was a close thing. To start with Jake was inherently a good person, but a giant coward. His naivete and ignorance were taken advantage of by Ella. His weak-willed self somehow managed to fuck up every critical moment. He only manages to push past all that in the end, to sacrifice all else to fix Mia, even if arguably he could have made other decisions. Besides, at the current state of the game, Jake's life is his punishment: made a convict recruit to H.E.R.O, currently ignored by the person he wanted to save, and with several people wanting to end or make his life miserable.
- Dec 29, 2020
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Is there any explanation why some of the apostles seem more willing to guide their spawn than others? Jake was shown to be directly talked to by the First (though it seemed more indirectly controlling than guiding.) Michael heard a voice just before evolving, granting him visions/knowledge of rites and a different way to use his evolution to gain strength. Even Ella was being talked to at multiple points by the 3rd/4th. I don't remember the 3rd/4th ever interacting with the MC... though that could be because of The Eye's influence. While not a direct spawn, Alice was talked to during her evolution but never seen to be guided.
After writing this it almost seems personality-based on the apostle part...
After writing this it almost seems personality-based on the apostle part...
We aren't really sure. All we seem to know is that one) Memory is unique in preferring dual trait spawn to high single trait spawn, and two) that each of the Apostles have their own motivations and desires, which we don't really know.
- Apr 17, 2024
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I think it is just differing personalities and priorities. Like, from what Michael said about the visions the Power sends him, it actually wants him to someday fight it, so it gives him guidance on how to become strong enough to be a worthy foe. Meanwhile, the Ether is upset with Aos for rebelling against it, so the messages it sends Alice are attempts at enticing her into killing Aos for it. And then the Memory is judgemental and expects its spawn to be perfect, so it holds back and gives a minimum of assistance.
- Jan 27, 2021
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I never understood why people hate Deryl so much. What has he done that needs forgiveness?
The only thing I can think of, trying to kill the MC (twice), had extenuating circumstances (brainwashing, and then being a monster).
If you really hold that against him, you're the problem here.
- Mar 27, 2020
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People will do the wildest things for some goth/emo pussy.
- Dec 1, 2020
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Man Deryl is a absolute bro idk what you're smoking.
Dude had the Mc's back countless times since you first start a new game.
- Dec 1, 2020
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Memory and Body did interact with him a bunch of times, ofc there's the first, then when he evolves to second Memory tells him to consume Klaus and possibly Alice.
During his third evolution he also tells Cole ''Mother thinks I could do it'', in regards to him being able to win.
Also they speak to him many times in his dreams when you got to bed before the H.E.R.O arc , I think even more often if you have high corruption.
Oh and also against the Myniak fight when one of them appears in Myniak's mind and makes it submit, although that may or may not be direct involvement from their part, I think it was.
- Jul 15, 2024
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I have been thinking, how truly thin or thick is the line between different paths?
I mean, some set of powers that are actually descended from x path, somehow could potentially overstep on the domain of another, this idea come to me mainly due to the recent discussion about how the powers of the MC might evolve/change once he hit level four, with some of the ideas being more suitable for someone descended from Creation, things like produce more complex materials to mimic things like gravestars or magnets, the problem is, Creation also can produce biological materials(something that one would think is more within Body's territory), all this become even more strange when is taked into account how creation and body come from two completely different Arbiters(Chaos and Evolution) that are not even on the same group of triplets.
My final example would be Henri(yeah, we don't know for sure if he is Paradox, but is the most likely so I'll take that as a fact for the sake of this comment), he is by far the one that fuck the most on other paths, he straight up disintegrate monsters just by powering up, Evander style, and i'm sure his threat to Lisa bout' conjuring up an unicorn to give it to her on the ass wasn't out his possibilities(creation), he also order the MC to keep silent and the latter's throat close(more proper for authority), and lastly he evacuated all the Humans on a city, straight up moving them through space/teleporting them, obviously without using the Ether trait, like, the broken clown has already overstep on multiple paths without actually fighting(I'm sure once he does he would shown even more crazy nonsense)all of that would be quite weird even in the case he is indeed Paradox.
I mean, some set of powers that are actually descended from x path, somehow could potentially overstep on the domain of another, this idea come to me mainly due to the recent discussion about how the powers of the MC might evolve/change once he hit level four, with some of the ideas being more suitable for someone descended from Creation, things like produce more complex materials to mimic things like gravestars or magnets, the problem is, Creation also can produce biological materials(something that one would think is more within Body's territory), all this become even more strange when is taked into account how creation and body come from two completely different Arbiters(Chaos and Evolution) that are not even on the same group of triplets.
My final example would be Henri(yeah, we don't know for sure if he is Paradox, but is the most likely so I'll take that as a fact for the sake of this comment), he is by far the one that fuck the most on other paths, he straight up disintegrate monsters just by powering up, Evander style, and i'm sure his threat to Lisa bout' conjuring up an unicorn to give it to her on the ass wasn't out his possibilities(creation), he also order the MC to keep silent and the latter's throat close(more proper for authority), and lastly he evacuated all the Humans on a city, straight up moving them through space/teleporting them, obviously without using the Ether trait, like, the broken clown has already overstep on multiple paths without actually fighting(I'm sure once he does he would shown even more crazy nonsense)all of that would be quite weird even in the case he is indeed Paradox.
I think most of Henri's feats are explained by the fact that Paradox is Truth+Fantasy, since we've seen Truth can be used to enforce something like Eisheth's "regeneration", Henri's just a OP version of that, the Truth is what changes the No smoking sign, the Unicorn, the Humans and the MC's throat. It's not him ordering MC to close his throat and his body following that order, but making that a truth; Likewise he's not teleporting humans, it's the "Earth" enforcing the truth of "There are no humans here". As for disintegrating monsters, supposedly anything with huge Power can do it, we do see Ella and other SuperHumans affect the environment just by powering up. However I do agree that the boundaries between Apostles sometimes are fickle, with even Aglaecwif saying that the dream world is more suitable for Fantasy than Memory.
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- Apr 17, 2024
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There's definitely some overlap between the traits. Like, Valravn's information sheet says that his ability to turn into an armored form isn't from having any Body powers, but because Dark powers can use the logic of "shadows mimic the appearance of real objects" to copy shapes. Or for a more prosaic example, Michael can produce laser beams by using Power to manipulate energy instead of by using Light. Even the MC gets in on it, using Memory to overwhelm people with strong enough false memories to make them briefly hallucinate an illusion like Fantasy would produce. The powers are ultimately pretty arbitrary, so it's not surprising to me that the same goal can be approached from multiple directions. And for someone with a greater power, who has not just two Apostle traits but the fusion produced from them, it doesn't seem odd to me that they can leverage their wider toolkit to do a very large set of functions.
- May 10, 2017
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I like Deryl but that is in large part due to how good the war arc is, some of his early writing leaves a lot to be desired, for the early game at first he was just the bland friend character, and when he does start getting focus it's being mind controlled, then you had the flashback that didn't make any of the 3 childhood friends look good and then when he has some real characterisation it's to be a cocky shit who attacks the MC outside of mind control. So if people don't like them I get it. When Deryl starts to become a more fleshed out character it's when he's at his worst.
I only started warming up to Liz and Amber during the twin arc, being indifferent beforehand, I don't think the writing ever did a good job of showing why the MC would like Liz for who she is, if he was into emotional distance he would be going gaga for Tiffany.
- Dec 29, 2020
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I've been thinking about the memory paths the MC underwent. What was the point of them? Was it simply to gain knowledge (and thus power) directly from the apostles themselves and to be used randomly when convenient (Like MC simply knowing the black monster blood concentrate would be good for Liz but bad for Amber.)? Or is there some deeper meaning behind it? The MC's mother said there was a limited amount of paths the MC could connect to (or something to that effect) and very purposely made sure he connected directly to the 12 apostles via his friends/rivals/enemies for the most bang for his buck. I thought he would then permanently have a direct connection to all 12, but I remember reading that all connections except for 3/4 were cut.
Side note: Ella was talking about how there is a reason for monsters to infect humans and their desire for Superhumans/spawns to become perfected (evolve to level 5). While she didn't explain what she meant, she said it was pretty simple/obvious once you thought about it. My guess is that perhaps perfected spawns are a means to directly incarnate apostles, considering a normal apostle avatar normally disintegrates after some time. Possible supporting evidence is Ella trying to create direct spawns of apostles and being on a time crunch before the Black Moon triggered. Apostles are said to be able to directly incarnate during the Black Moon.
Side note: Ella was talking about how there is a reason for monsters to infect humans and their desire for Superhumans/spawns to become perfected (evolve to level 5). While she didn't explain what she meant, she said it was pretty simple/obvious once you thought about it. My guess is that perhaps perfected spawns are a means to directly incarnate apostles, considering a normal apostle avatar normally disintegrates after some time. Possible supporting evidence is Ella trying to create direct spawns of apostles and being on a time crunch before the Black Moon triggered. Apostles are said to be able to directly incarnate during the Black Moon.